Sorry if it seems like I'm bothering you or anything, but I noticed that when I search for the word "Carcere", the first thing that pops up is "Category: Contractors". (here's a link in case you can't find it or something http://pandorahearts.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contractors) So now I'm not sure whether to put "Carcere in Contractors or in the other one mentioned above.
Information about Legal Contractors, Illegal Contractors, Baskerville Contracts, Carceres and Incuses should go in the actual page. Truthfully idk why there's information like that on the category page :p
Ok, I now have another question for you, on Claude Nightray's page, it mentions that he and Ernest poisoned Gilbert. I though Vinncent did that, in order to throw out any doubts of him (Gilbert) being the Head Hunter. Is this a typo, or am I just remembering things wrong?
No, it was Claude and Ernest (as stated when Elliot overheard them talking about their plans to kill Leo I do believe - I think Claude did the poisoning and Ernest obtained the poison, but don't quote me on that because it may just be my assumption, I don't remember). At any rate I do believe that Jun accidentally put something in about Vincent doing that in a later chapter, but if that were the case I'm pretty sure it was merely accidental. Claude and Ernest were the culprits not Vincent, which makes sense because Vincent would never do anything to actually harm the brother he basically worships
And true. But it's kinda funny how when Jun was making Vincent restate what all happened during that time, (hypothetically speaking I suppose) it kinda made it look like he actually would do something like that.
Anyway, would you like me to change that part in Vincent's page, or should I leave it, since it's technically part of the story?
Because it seems as though Jun made a mistake, yes I think it should be changed. I would've done it myself, but recently schools been getting in the way of my editing capabilities somewhat, but it'll all smooth over soon enough.
Ok, I get what you mean. But what if other people go on Vincent's page and notice that part was taken out? I mean, I'm not a big fan of Vincent, but I would kinda be a little upset if that part was taken out, since it's in the story and such. Not only that, but other people might just edit that part in, or ask why it was taken out a such.
Ooooohhh!!!! I have a brilliant idea!!!! What if I just edit that part out, but include it in his trivia section? That way, it's still there, but it's not on his actual main section and stuff.
Sounds good (I was actually thinking of doing that when I started reading your message, so when you suggested it, I felt like we'd just saved some time :) ) Anyway, what we should put in should be something along the lines of :
"In (which ever Retrace it was in - I personally can't remember), Jun Mochizuki mistakenly stated that Vincent had been the one to poison Gilbert in order to dissuade suspicion about his true disposition, despite the fact that Claude and Ernest had already been confirmed to have been the ones behind said assassination attempt."
I think the beginning should be reworded like this:
"In Retrace LXI: Demios, we can assume that (or "It is assumed that..." depending on the tone of the page) Jun Mochizuki mistakenly stated that Vincent had been the one to poison Gilbert in order to dissuade any suspicion of him being the Head Hunter; despite the fact that Claude and Ernest had already been confirmed to have been the ones behind the poisoning of him."
Personally for me, I feel that this does justice for all of the characters and Jun. (that probably sounds really wierd) Mainly because I feel like the other sentence doesn't quite tell the whole story - honestly.
Personally, I feel that we don't know for sure that it was a mistake or anything. Because for me, I kinda like to get all technical and know things for sure before confirming them as facts and stuff. Also, if some of the fans of P.H. are like me, then I they might feel like justice has been served as well.
I hope all of that made since, because it all kinda sounded a little weird to be honest.
Yeah that's fine, even though it's assumed, there's really no other way that I can see. I mean unless Claude and Ernest tried to poison Gilbert and then Vincent later decided to mimick their actions, despite the fact that Gilbert was only ever stated to have been poisoned on one specific occasion. That occasion was set up to be Claude and Ernest's attempt Ibelieve, but I'm not sure entirely. As well, I'm pretty sure that Claude and Ernest's attempt was before "Vincent's attempt", since Claude and Ernest's was revealed in Retrace LVIII: Puddle of Blood and then Vincent was in Retrace LXI: Demios, in which case the first should be the true one in theory. But as stated we're unsure, so go ahead and put your statement in :p
In Japan, yes, as it's released in GFantasy every month. Online, no, so far only some of the scans appear via photos and short summaries are released, but there haven't been any actual full blown translations, scans or scanlartions released yet online :p
Yes, well the translation for Reverberation will be up on here in no time, so you won't have to wait long, and pics should be included since the scans usually don't take that long either, scanlations on the other hand tend to take almost an entire month if you're waiting for English :/
As for Echo's page, it was recently attacked by vandals (hence the locking), so I might wait another 5 - 7 days, but I will unlock it for you soon enough. I also know that I need to tweak the information on certain pages now like Echoes because of translation errors and discrepencies from translation to translation (which may or may not have attributed to spelling errors, I also haven't focussed on Echo's page in a long time).
Hey, I noticed that the page The Story of the Vessaliuses: Golden Drops was filled out. And I was wondering whether or not if you knew of any site or anywhere with the english translation and what not. I mean, the pictures in the gallery are in english, so there's obviously somewhere where a person could read it so...yeah.
I actually got what's there from a translation I found buried online. Finding it again would be strenuous though, and I'm not very convinced that any of the Caucus Race translations that exist are entirely accurate. What we need is for someone who can read Japanes rather fluently to translate the stories for us, because otherwise what there is is what we've got. I feel bad asking someone to do that though considering how much content is in each story :S
True true. Man, this is when I wish I knew Japanes. :(
Anyway, I was wondering if there was a way for me to help out on this wiki. I mean, I don't know how to do any of the creating new pages and what not, but I can do things like helping with spelling errors and such.
I have a wider span of the English language so most of the spelling should be up to snuff, however on the more obscure and less commonly visited pages there may still be instances where words were changed and that page didn't get the spelling update (like how Reveil used to be Reveille on her, Levi used to be Levy, Revis, etc., Calum Lunettes used to be Callum, Reim used to be Liam, Sharon over Shalon, Vessalius over Bezarius and the list goes on and on. If you could root through the pages and ensure that those are completely eradicated that would be ideal.
There's likely grammar mistakes here and there too because I'm a language buff rather than grammar buff :p
Most importantly though I want all broken links dealt with. Some pages still have like "Oz the B-Rabbit", "Oz Vessalius", "Legal Contractors", "Carcere", "Illegal Contractors" etc linked despite the fact that the pages were deleted, so I'd prefer that they were rerouted to their new proper pages ("Oz" and "Contractors" and so on).
I handle mostly the information components of the series myself, so while I'm continuously upadating pages and therefore what links where, it's impossible for me to do it all at once when I'm attempting to focus on the main pages, so if you could fix those minor changes I've listed where they're applicable, it'd be greatly appreciated. Though this wiki has come a long way since its creation, there's still a lot to do.
Ok. So, do you want me to stick with Vessalius instead of Bezarius, and Reim instead of Liam? And stuff like that?
Also, do you mind if I put Gilbert instead of Gil? For exmple, when you read something like, Gilbert is an excellent cook as to Gil is an excellent cook, don't you think it kinda sounds better the first way? Because personally, I feel like Gilbert is a bit more...I dunno, professional? I mean, I know people just love the nickname Gilbert has, (which I do as well) but I just feel like it would make this wiki sound a lot better if we used the character's full name in texts and stuff. So I dunno, that's just my opinion. Also, in some pages, I kinda already changed Gil to Gilbert. If you don't like it, I can change it back if you want.
And for the broken links...what are the proper links to them? Because if I remember right, you wanted to make seperate links for Oz and then Oz the B-Rabbit, right? Or did you change your mind?
Alright. And yeah, this wiki looks really great! You (and other people who have helped, I just don't know who they are) have done a really good job with this wiki!
Feel free to change them to Gilbert I guess, I just put Gil because I felt as though reading Gilbert too much like that was a little odd when you think of the article as a whole, but it'll be like an experiment.
I did intend separate Oz into Oz Vessalius and Oz the B-Rabbit, but after about a week I put it back because people didn't like it. Everyone complains that the single page is too much of a spoiler, everyone complains that the pages should stay together. I swear if anyone complains about it again I'm going to decapitate them myself, because that page has been renamed and now separated more times than I can count. Everything goes to just Oz now and that's the way it'll stay. The main page that the links for Legal, Illegal Contractors and Carceres go to is just "Contractors".
If you could link some of the terms that appear on certain pages but lack their own because they don't need one that'd be great too. My biggest concern with that is the "Abyss" page, where I've now been linking "The Rule of 100 Cycles", "The Chains of Condemnation", "Droplets of Light" and "The Path" to. Just like a regular link, but the write the page as "Abyss#_____" so that the page directs users to the specific section. The same goes for The Echoes if they're left unlinked on any pages. As they're Duldums I send the links there rather than to Echo (as she's an Echo herself, but more prominent - thus making her worthy of her own page). And again, the same goes for "1st Dimension", "Cheshire's Dimension" and "Courtroom Dimension" - which all are meant to link to the "Dimensional Plane" page.
As for the broken links, go with "Reim", "Vessalius", "Sharon", "Calum", "Xai", "Lutwidge", "Tove", "Levi", "Mrs. Finn", "Gruner" etc. Whatever their respective page name is presently is what they should be linked as. That's only for links, and that should keep you respectively busy for the time being :p
All right, I think we should probably make it so that "Incuse" goes to "Contractors" too, I'm not sure if there's much info there about them, but at least that way you don't have to explain it on every page where the word shows up.
Btw, the others who helped form this wiki (you mentioned them before), are mostly gone. They are BeeboiXD, Gold Star, Antinotimin, CrimsonGaze14 (the only one still active from time to time) and ChaosVoid - all of whom are/were admins at some point. I've been here the longest though since I've been around since 2010 when the site was created by a user who wrote a few small blurbs and abandoned it. As I said before I do mostly information, while the other admins handled formatting, information, images etc in varying parts, though now since I'm the only one frequently active, I create a lot of the pages and stuff based on what they've created already :p
I don't really have much to say other than i loved the sense of relief that I felt for not only Vincent and Noise, but just overall as well. There are still some concerns obviously, but I'm glad to see some open wounds finally healing up. I'm glad Noise is back to her old self and that all the holes in her, Echo and Duldee's pasts have been mended (though I'm not a fan of having to wait until the penultimate chapters for such reveals, Jun does what she does for a reason).
I am however thrilled that Vincent's whiny bit is done with. I was getting tired of that and I'm hoping that Ada's knocked enough sense back into him so that he can go back to the Vincent I love: the snide, devious man we're all useful. I'm hoping that the next chapters will bring back the Vincent we had during The Feast Arc when he allied himself with Oz, because when he did that I can't help but say that I liked him even more.
As far as Oswald goes, I expected that he'd be unable to kill Alice, and I don't think that he'll be able to do it if the opportunity arises again. The same goes for if he attempts to outright kill the Intention, and I think the reason he can't do it has something to do with what Lacie said to him before her drop into the Abyss. I'm also hoping that Leo rises up and challenges Oswald again, because I feel it has to be Leo that does it. Though I'm interested to see what Levi is going to do, because I don't think Jun brought him back just for nothing.
As far Jack, stay away. I know you and Oz have a deal of sorts but I can really live without your slimy self from now on.
Things I'm not certain about:
Duldee was neutralized - but we don't know if that means she died, was rebound or if Echo ended the Contract.
Noise appears to have sacrificed herself for Echo - but we don't know if this means she ended her own existence somehow, intentionally receded into her subconscious or if she merged with Echo to become one being (Necho vs Echoise). Whatever Noise did, when she dropped Echo looked majorly concerned.
Things I'm expecting ahead:
For some reason I think Retrace XCVIII will end up being called "You Are" in order to contrast Retrace XCVII: I am. :p
Lottie and Dug's arrival. They entered the Abyss shortly after Noise, and so since Noise showed up recently, my guess is that they're not far behind. I don't know what Sharon will use Equus (in Lottie's shadow) for though, but whatever it is it should be interesting. I expect we might get to see Dug's Chain soon though, and I imagine he's got the Borogove so that it contrasts Fang's Tove. Furthermore I foresee Lottie slapping Oswald and trying to show him that what he's doing is wrong and very unlike him, making him more of a monster with every motion.
Revelation about Emily's importance to Break. We all assume that the little girl Break left to become an Illegal Contractor was Emily Sinclair, but I want confirmation. True, the doll the girl had and Emily look nearly identical, but that's not enough.
Rufus' return. I'm almost positive that he's not dead yet because the way he was built up would've made his apparent ending rather out of place. My guess is that the Barma Key reformed itself in time for Rufus to save himself with Dodo, and he maybe uses Dodo to enter the Abyss and help Oz and company stop Oswald.
Elaboration on Jack's deal with Oz. I've been wondering if it had something to do with time, because I've thought that maybe Lacie's Chain was Oz from the future, sent back in time after Oswald's deafeat to ensure that the timeline they wanted to preserve was left alone.
Revelation of Lacie's last words to Oswald as she dropped into the Abyss.
Revelation of the Mad Hatter's origins. Mad Hatter was created by the Intention specifically for Break, and I've often wondered if the Intention took Break's soul from the future Rule of 100 Cycles and moulded it into Mad Hatter; which would explain why Mad Hatter has Break's hat and a sole red eye. I know people deny the concept, but Mad Hatter looks almost too similar to how he did when he first met Gil for this not to be true. In addition, if the timeline does end up in a continuous cycle like I theorized above, then Break lives on technically.
Finally, I believe that the entire series is going to end up having been a dream of Oz's that he experienced when he fell into Lacie's tomb. It'd fit the Alice in Wonderland theme, and though it'd be a major piss off - I expect that it's going to happen anyway.
I like your theory about Jack's deal with Oz. It would be interesting if Oz were Lacie's chain and Lacie had put him in the Abyss on purpose. Lacie always seemed to know a lot that the other charaters didn't. Maybe she was connected to the Jurors somehow since she seemed a bit like an all-knowing being. But my theory is that she's somehow connected to the Will of the Abyss. Did she really get corrupted by the powers of the Abyss when she was always so nice to it? Or did she herself become the Will? In the current chapter, Alice asked Cheshire what the Will was up to. If she arrived, we could have Jack (Oz), Ozwald (Leo), and Lacie (Will of the Abyss) together.
Well the thing about my theory that Lacie's Chain = Oz is that it has to comply with the cycle theory, which basically states that the order time has played out since it's dawning will be constantly repeated. In other words there will be two Ozes from different points in time existing at the same time as his original doll/B-Rabbit form and then as Lacie's Chain, like my theory with Break and Mad Hatter, and that continues in a cycle forever. That would make both Oz and Break existing in the constant cycle forever as paradoxes. It's just a theory, and i never dreamed that Pandora Hearts would lead into Paradoxes and Dimension Planes when I first started reading it, yet here we are anyway :p
Well, as it stands now such a thing is impossible because Lacie's body and soul were completely destroyed (apart from the fragment the Intention saved, gave to Oz, and then who gave it to Jack, which is now gone as well). The only way Lacie can be reunited with them is via time travel. As stated above, Oz could potentially venture back in time and become Lacie's Chain, which was Jack's inspiration for Oz as a Chain in the first place (making Oz a paradox). This way Jack could cling to Oz's new existence and technically be with Lacie once again in an endless form of a time loop. However, it's also possible that Oswald and Jack may venture back in time and prevent Lacie from dying all together, or even kill her before she met Jack as Oswald intends. Everything is up in the air right now, but I really do not think that Jack, Oswald and Lacie will reunite in the glorious epilogue that everyone seems to think is coming. Such a thing just wouldn't fit in the plot and would thereby be a poor choice if Jun made it.
How doesn't the time travel thing make sense? Just because Lacie wouldn't be killed the way that Oswald wants her to be? Do you seriously believe that it's going to play out like that? The villain wins and gets what he wants - kinda makes the last like 20 chapters of resistence pointless doesn't it? Oz wants to maintain the timeline as it is, so if he were to take up the position as Lacie's Chain via paradox (look it up if you don't know what it is), then the timeline could remain because of any intervention Oz would make as Lacie's Chain. Though the world would end, it'd exist in an infinite loop that would thwart both Oswald and Jury. This would have to be after Oswald is defeated, and the only hole left would be for Jack's deal, which could vaguely have something to do with this.
Also, The Jurors will exist perpetually. To destroy them outright would eventually lead to the end of everything because they wouldn't be around to generate and maintain more Dimensions as "Stories". As well, Jurors can only be injured by Children of Ill Omen - but have we ever really seen one die yet? No. We saw Jury get stabbed in the eye, but she wasn't shown to have died.
And I mean really, it's just a theory I've contemplated, one of over a million possible endings. It's a fictitious world - so anything is possible anyway and it's better to be prepared to whatever may result of that.
I fixed it, but for future reference you can just click to edit the page and then the categories come up in a list on the right near the insert image, gallery etc. However over a category and two icons for editing and deletion show up. Just click deletion and it's gone from the page
Everything is slowly falling into place with the impending end of the series, but there is still holes in the information and structure of certain pages, and that is first priority. The omakes will be updated eventually as well, so just be patient. The series will likely end in November so there isn't much time left, and then after that we won't have to concern our selves with the monthly updates and things will fall into place. Additionally, I only own volume 1 - 21 because they've yet to be released in English, meaning that I'd have to hunt down the Japanese Raws and ask someone to translate them for me or find someone who has already done so.
That was my original thought, but at the same time I understand where the users who complain about the spoilers are coming from. Plus, When Alice takes Oz's powers, she technically does become a Chain herself because she stole Oz's body, and Oz became just a lost soul in Jack. It's conflicting, I want to see how people react to the page separation of Oz first, but if things don't work out I'll rejoin them. This way also makes it so that if the page does rejoin, it'll be with updated information that was rather lacking before; as the page had pieces of information that wasn't revamped, only added as an extra by users, which conflicted information.
The way it's currently set up has it so a user intent on reading the entire Oz deal will go from Oz the B-Rabbit to Oz Vessalius and then back again should they want to read it chronologically. I'm aware it's stupid, but it's an experiment. This way the information isn't spoiled in the intros as well. Just be patient for now