Now that it's been revealed that Gano is the Plague Doctor, who do you think is Monsieur Spider? I've wondered for a while if it might not be Olivier, but do you think this could be acurate or do you think it's a new Chasseur entirely, as was the situation concerning Gano?
What's on your mind?
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There are going to be a lot of spoilers here, and this discussion is centered on an explanation of why Jack does not love Lacie. As I know there are many people who ship these two together, some may be offended by this discussion.
Jack is an incredibly complex character whose motives go beyond simply being a "yandere" for Lacie. We can all admit that Lacie seems to fulfill an almost perfect dead love interest role for Jack. He met her on a snowy day, where she gave him a different view of life the world around him, leaving him shaken and determined to find her again. He searched for her for eight years before finally finding her and became close to her after a while, stating his greatest peace of mind occurred when he was in her presence. When she died, he completely lost it because he felt utterly lost without her.
However, in the last volume (24) of PandoraHearts, it was revealed that the sentiment driving Jack's obsession with Lacie is not love, but absolute spite. Eventually, Jack says, he forgot who his true self was and could not tell the difference between himself and the endless masks he put on. He states that the only emotion he could discern as undeniably his own was his burning hatred for Lacie. Although multiple fans appear to ignore this reveal in favor of shipping Jack and Lacie (this is not meant to be an insult towards shippers of Jack and Lacie), this outright confirms that Jack does not love her.
In fact, I happen to believe Jack is incapable of loving anybody at all. Here are several things that support this and his lack of love for Lacie, as well as some of my own thoughts:
-It has been said several times by several different people in-series that Jack is empty. To be specific, Oscar and Oswald say that Jack is like water in the way that you are unable to figure out his true nature; the only thing you can see in his eyes, no matter how deeply you look, is your own reflection. Arthur Barma says calls Jack a living ghost. All of these characters and more have also said that when you are in Jack's presence, there is a terrifying sensation that nobody is actually there.
-You can use everything else I've said for evidence of this: it is wholly untrue that Jack only lost his mind after Lacie's death. The additional piece of evidence I'm going to mention here is that Oswald states Jack was messed up far before Lacie died, venturing to say that Jack was broken before they even met.
-Lacie herself once tried to dissect Jack's fixation with her. Immediately guessing he must be romantically or sexually attracted to her, she attempted to seduce him with the intention of pushing him away if he showed any desire to take their relationship to the next level. Jack was not disgusted, nor was he excited. In fact, he had literally no reaction whatsoever. This frightened Lacie to the point where she told Jack there was something extremely wrong with him, and then went on to decide in her mind that Jack was incapable of loving anyone or anything. That's right, Lacie herself thought Jack could not love.
-As I mentioned, Jack wants to be with Lacie because he hates her, not because he loves her. To explain this further, his conclusion in his reveal of his feelings in volume 24 is the he needs Lacie to live. This is very different from being in love with her. What he is saying is that he does not want Lacie, but he needs her, as a human being needs food and water and oxygen. The feelings of loathing she makes him have are so intense that he cannot feel alive without her.
-I believe Jack makes it seem like he is in love with Lacie on purpose. His life has never been quite "normal". He was abused by his mother, his father was absent, and when the time came he was forced to live on the streets. After meeting Lacie, he worked his way up to gain a social status, but screwed himself up horribly in the process. He cannot believe it to be "normal" to be obsessed with somebody because of hatred, nor to actually need a human being like an object or substance, nor to be incapable of feeling love. I think Jack tries to connect Lacie to the feeling he is addicted to in order to appear more "normal," not only to other people, but himself. He's obsessed with the hatred ultimately, not Lacie.
Ive always wanted a sequel series about the adventures of the reincarnations of the gang, and Break will be there too.
I'm saying she's a Dandere because she was quiet but then showed loving side before she died :(
So we all know that Break is dead. Starting to become old news. Reim, however, is acting suspicious. Like he knows something. That, and seeing as how close he was to Break, he accepted his death far to easily.
Reim’s chain power is to convince people that he’s dead, right? Well, what if he could use that power on other people? And let’s just say, if he could, he used it on Break. To protect him. Cruel to Sharon and the others, of course, but if it was to protect Break…
I’d really prefer not to get my hopes up, but another thing I’ve noticed is how much his body has been shown after his death. It’s been 10 chapters and we still see it. Even in retrace 102! (or so I read in a summary)
So, I dare say this… there’s a chance, a CHANCE, that Break might have a chance and isn’t really dead. We’ll have to wait and see, of course.
What do you think will happen after Oz's incuse is complete? Alice said the power of the B-Rabbit within her was weakening each time it progressed and that's probably because it isn't Alice's actual body. If you recall, Alice left her old body behind when her soul merged with B-Rabbit. Oz is only the B-Rabbit's lost soul inhabiting Jack body. Each time Oz uses B-Rabbit's power he becomes more of a chain than a human and Alice becomes more of a human than a chain. Will Alice disappear in the end? Will Oz gain a new body that isn't Jack's?
Now that I think of it, Ada is the only character to be on a cover who does not have a chain (besides Cheshire who is a chain). In her cover picture, like all the other characters, she has a chain wrapped around her suggesting a contract. At this point in the story, it would be a pretty meaningless plot twist but still - any theories?
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I bet the next volume then will be very long, most likely 208 pages or more. I feel a little sad that Pandora Hearts will end soon :(
Uhhhh...I myself don't know how to answer this question... but maybe because the organization called Pandora helped form relationships(hearts?) on the plot...(LOL WTF?) I mean, like with the Rainsworths and Barmas..? Okay ignore that part I know it's so silly and not even relevant to the rest of the story but I can't think about anything else I'm so dumb :P
So, what do you think? Why do you think it's called Pandora Hearts?
Now that I think about it... do you think Emily is probably a gift given by the Intention of the Abyss to Xerxes Break before he left the Abyss? You know, the Intention's room is full of talking dolls, and maybe Emily is one of those dolls, or maybe she made her specially just for Break?
And I wonder what will happen to Emily now that Break is gone.. :( Maybe Sharon will keep her...
"As if someone made up this ridiculous fairytale..." I'm not sure whether this was the exact line, but if I'm not mistaken, Jack had said this once. Now, I'm guessing Jack is implying some kind of truth-- a plot twist that may have something to do with the ending. I think this fairytale Jack is talking about is related to Children of Ill Omen-- probably someone made up a story about them that their eyes can cause misfortune, and that they should be cast into the Abyss, when originally they're meant to be the Glen Baskerville. Among the Baskervilles they are the ones who can access the Abyss the easiest way, they are born with that talent. So why can't they be the ones to be the Glen? Maybe because someone made up a story~ I know this speculation has a lot of flaws, but who knows?
Anyway, please tell me your opinions ^_^
I figured out where Xerxes' eye went! in the hatter! as part of the chain contract!
It hurts my heart a bit? Extreme betrayal, He cant move on from the one who held out their hand to him, He can't see pass his grief. life is no longer worth living without Lacie, He's allowed that thought to consume him and it hurts to think of all those he hurt on this path but you cry because grief is universal we've all felt it but for Jack he let it crush him; you want to hate him so much but then you read that quote "To me... This world is like a dark night that swallows everything. But since you came into my life... And you were so kind to find me... I don't need friends or status anymore. I only need... To have you by my side! Lacie! " or you read this quote "'Whenever it snows... I am reminded of those days....the day that you found me....and the day that I finally found you...-and I lost you again, Lacie.' and this time... Its for good'" and our forced to realize Jack is just a mortal who succumbed to the evilest darkest parts of Love the ones that breed Obsession, and pain, the dirtiest part of the human heart, that's the love Jack has. Anyone can love the good, the beautiful, the pure, but the bad, the sick, the twisted? That's so much harder to do and Jack just embodies it. He's so far in, he can't be reached, and there's no one willing to reach in and save him.
~Mrs.Morpheus~
Now that we've seen all the Black Winged Chains, I want to know who everyone's favorite is :)
I personally like Owl the best. In his small form he's cute, and he suits Sheryl so well; beautiful but dangerous. Owl's also able to spin the threads that directly connect to people so they can be easily tracked without the person's notice, he's able to release that black haze that takes away a person's ability to see and hear and he's able to transform into a larger (more frightening according to Reim) version of himself. Plus there's all his standard abilities as a Black Winged Chain :)
So much power, and beauty in one body! I can't bear how awesome Owl is! xD